UKTeX V89 #02 Friday 13 January 1989 itemised lists in SliTeX more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes, etc. Re: more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes, etc. Including whole files in a LaTeX document In going from Janet to Bitnet and curly brackets. Raw TeX: staticisation of fonts Preview PSPRINT WEB-like system for FORTRAN? LaTeX for PS/2 merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts re: merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts K-Talk's "Publishing Companion" Editor Peter Abbott In the near future the problem of stream_lf files when using NIFTP will surface again. Until Version 5 of VMS is installed users are requested to collect files via the mail server if NIFTP methods fail. We need to update the tables on SPOCK and to do this involves reintroducing the problem. [public.pc]pcwritex.arc has been updated Latest TeXhax in the Archive is #111 (for 1988) Latest TeXhax in the Archive is #02 (for 1989) Latest TeXmag in the Archive is V2N5 --------------------------------- Received: from robin.cs.nott.ac.uk by much.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa06825; 6 Jan 89 20:58 GMT Received: from clan by Robin.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa08415; 6 Jan 89 20:49 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Jan 89 20:59:12 GMT From: David Osborne To: UKTeX@uk.ac.aston Subject: itemised lists in SliTeX Message-ID: <8901061259.aa16886@clan.nott.ac.uk> i've just been using SliTeX to prepare some slides for a talk and have a problem with missing item markers in itemised lists... most of the slides take the form \begin{slide}{} \begin{center} {\Large\bf INTRODUCTION} \end{center} \begin{list}{$\bullet$} \item What is \TeX? \item What is the Plain format? \item What \TeX\ is and isn't \item WYSIWYG versus Mark-up \end{list} \end{slide} but, when printed, the \bullet from the second item is missing. sometimes it mysteriously makes its appearance prefixed to the centered heading of the next slide. a couple of slides have items which themselves contain itemised lists (using $\circ$ as a marker) and the first items in these lists lose their markers, too. "top-level" items following one of these second-level lists seem to lose their markers. what am i doing wrong? (it must be me... i'm not usually a LaTeXer, preferring the Plain truth) should i use a different method for constructing the lists? other details: i'm using SliTeX (splain) version 2.09, 11/22/85 slides.sty released 17 January 1986 and TeX, C version 2.93 (the talk's on Monday morning, so it's out with the Rotring and SnoPake now!) dave. - -- David Osborne Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK (Phone: +44 602 484848 x2064) JANET: d.osborne@uk.ac.nott.clan BITNET: d.osborne%uk.ac.nott.clan@ukacrl.bitnet Internet: dao%uk.ac.nott.cs@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk , or: dao%uk.ac.nott.cs%ukacrl.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu UUCP: {...!mcvax}!ukc!nott-cs!dao --------------------------------- Received: from vax02.ams.com by NSS.Cs.Ucl.AC.UK via Satnet with SMTP id aa06018; 7 Jan 89 22:53 GMT Date: Sat 7 Jan 89 17:40:07-EST From: bbeeton Subject: more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes, etc. To: TeX-implementors@com.ams.vax02 Message-ID: <600216007.0.BNB@VAX02.AMS.COM> Mail-System-Version: Date: 7 Jan 89 Message No: 012 To: TeX implementors and distributors From: Barbara Beeton Subject: more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes +++Editor - See [public.texstatus]message_012.07_jan_1989 +++ --------------------------------- Received: from vax02.ams.com by NSS.Cs.Ucl.AC.UK via Satnet with SMTP id aa00755; 8 Jan 89 2:39 GMT Received: from SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU by VAX02.AMS.COM via SMTP with TCP; Sat, 7 Jan 89 21:34:44-EST Date: Sat 7 Jan 89 19:31:47-MST From: "Nelson H.F. Beebe" Subject: To: BNB@com.ams.vax02, TeX-implementors@com.ams.vax02 cc: Beebe@edu.utah.science In-Reply-To: <600216007.0.BNB@VAX02.AMS.COM> X-US-Mail: "Center for Scientific Computing, South Physics, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT 84112" X-Telephone: (801) 581-5254 Message-ID: <12460780528.9.BEEBE@SCIENCE.UTAH.EDU> Sender: BEEBE%edu.utah.science@com.ams.vax02 Message Subject: more errata; corrections to TEX82.BUG and CM changes, etc. received. W.r.t. Microsoft C comment. I suspect your code looks something like: { char c; while ((c = getchar()) != EOF) do_something(c); } This should be { int c; while ((c = getchar()) != EOF) do_something(c); } (note the type change). If that still doesn't work, the really correct way is { int c; while (((c = getchar()) != EOF) && !feof(stdin)) do_something(c); } - ------- --------------------------------- Via: uk.ac.umist.cns; Mon, 09 Jan 89 10:47:28 GMT (UMPA/20.200f) From: Colin Walls Message-Id: <21890.8901091019@sun> Subject: Including whole files in a LaTeX document To: info-tex@uk.ac.aston Date: Mon, 9 Jan 89 10:19:01 BST X-Mailer: Elm [version 2.1 PL1] We are currently producing documentation which will include examples of working source code. Does anyone have a set of LaTeX macros which will enable one to include the source code file in \tt font without having to make amendments to the source code at all. - -- Colin Walls Janet: Colin@uk.ac.umist ___________________________ DARPA: Colin@umist.ac.uk | Television? The word | Uucp: ukc!umist.ac.uk!Colin | is half Latin and half | | Greek. No good can come | Tel: 061-236-3311 x 2626 | of it | International: +44-61-236-3311 x 2626 --------------------------- --------------------------------- Received: from UKACRL by UK.AC.RL.IB (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 9883; Mon, 09 Jan 89 12:26:01 GM Received: from ASTRPD.INFN.IT by UKACRL.BITNET (Mailer X1.25) with BSMTP id 2709; Mon, 09 Jan 89 12:26:01 Message-id: <6849> Date: Mon, 9 JAN 89 13:22 N From: Reply-To: Subject: In going from Janet to Bitnet and curly brackets. To: X-Original-To: info-tex@aston.ac.uk, FISICA In reply to John Carrol's question, the problem with "wrong" curly brackets (as well as, at least in Italy, hat accent and wiggle) the way out we found is simply to have a program which reads the "wrong" characters and converts them in the "right" ascii codes. Such a program was submitted in a past UKtex; beware that it arrived in England with all wrong brackets etc, so use it ONLY as a sample to write your correct program. Max PS: symbols which are upset { left curly bracket } right curly bracket ~ hat accent % wiggle --------------------------------- Date: 10-JAN-1989 16:37:51 GMT From: CHAA006@UK.AC.RHBNC.VAXB To: Info-TeX@UK.AC.ASTON Subject: Raw TeX: staticisation of fonts Sender: JANET"CHAA006@UK.AC.RHBNC.VAXB" Reply-to: Philip Taylor (RHBNC) Originally-to: $UK-TEX,$TEX-HAX Mailer: Janet_Mailshr V3.3 (14-Dec-1988) Exactly {\it when\/} does the staticisation of fonts take place ? The \TeX book on page 153 explains that in an example such as $ \textfont0 = \tenrm 9 \textfont0 = \Helvetica 9 $ both "9"s will be set in font \Helvetica, since \textfont0 is \Helvetica at the end of the formula. However, \Helvetica is a font-selector, not a font name, and a further level of dereferencing/staticisation is required before the actual font can be determined. Let me explain the problem: I have a preamble which defines (among others) fonts \tenrm and \sevenrm as being "psmtimr" and "psmtimr at 7pt" respectively; "psmtimr" is a PostScript Times-Roman font. My normal running text, (which is explicitly preceded by a \rm) is set in "psmtimr" as I expected, but a fraction (${1 \over 6}$) is set in "cmr7". This is true for both ArborText's $\mu$ \TeX V2.93 and for Wayne Sullivan's SB(08)TeX, V2.93. The only way around this problem is to repeat, as part of the preamble, the section of Plain.TeX which says "\scriptfont0 = \sevenrm", {\it after\/} the font definition which says "\font \sevenrm = psmtimr at 7pt", This is distinctly counter-intuitive, and I am almost prepared to suggest, wrong, particularly as chasing back through the definitions using \message {\the \scriptfont0 \meaning \sevenrm} shews exactly the same situation obtaining before and after the assignment to \scriptfont0. Here is a simple test program, the resulting log file, and the output from DVITYPE; the actual glyphs set are from "cmr7" for the left fraction, and from "psmtimr at 7 pt" for the right. ** Phil. \def \debug {\message {\the \scriptfont0 \meaning \sevenrm}} \font \tenrm = psmtimr \font \sevenrm = psmtimr at 7 pt \rm Left part \debug ${1 \over 6}$ \scriptfont0 = \sevenrm \debug ${1 \over 6}$ right part \end This is TeX, TeXpress Version 2.93 (preloaded format=plain 88.12.21) 10 JAN 1989 16:23 **test (c:\typeset\linotron\test.tex \sevenrm select font psmtimr at 7.0pt \sevenrm select font psmtimr at 7.0pt [1] Output written on c:\typeset\linotron\test.dvi (1 page, 1024 bytes). This is DVItype, PC-DOS Version 2.8 Options selected: Starting page = * Maximum number of pages = 1000000 Output level = 3 (the works) Resolution = 300.00 pixels per inch numerator/denominator=25400000/473628672 magnification=1000; 0.00006334 pixels per DVI unit ' TeX output 1989.01.10:1623' Postamble starts at byte 302. maxv=43725786, maxh=30785863, maxstackdepth=6, totalpages=1 Font 51: psmtimr---loaded at size 458752 DVI units (this font is magnified 70%) Font 50: psmtimr---loaded at size 655360 DVI units Font 3: cmr7---loaded at size 458752 DVI units 42: beginning of page 1 87: push level 0:(h=0,v=0,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=0) 88: down3 -917504 v:=0-917504=-917504, vv:=-58 92: pop level 0:(h=0,v=0,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=0) 93: down4 42152922 v:=0+42152922=42152922, vv:=2670 98: push level 0:(h=0,v=42152922,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2670) 99: down4 -41497562 v:=42152922-41497562=655360, vv:=42 104: push level 1:(h=0,v=655360,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=42) 105: right3 1310720 h:=0+1310720=1310720, hh:=83 [ ] 109: fntdef1 50: psmtimr 132: fntnum50 current font is psmtimr 133: setchar76 h:=1310720+400425=1711145, hh:=108 134: setchar101 h:=1711145+290980=2002125, hh:=126 135: setchar102 h:=2002125+218235=2220360, hh:=140 136: setchar116 h:=2220360+182190=2402550, hh:=152 137: w3 218431 h:=2402550+218431=2620981, hh:=166 141: setchar112 h:=2620981+327680=2948661, hh:=187 142: setchar97 h:=2948661+290980=3239641, hh:=205 143: setchar114 h:=3239641+218235=3457876, hh:=219 144: setchar116 h:=3457876+182190=3640066, hh:=231 [Left part] 145: push level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 146: push level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 147: push level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 148: down3 -258036 v:=655360-258036=397324, vv:=26 152: push level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26) 153: right3 297074 h:=3640066+297074=3937140, hh:=249 [ ] 157: fntdef1 3: cmr7 177: fntnum3 current font is cmr7 178: setchar49 h:=3937140+261235=4198375, hh:=266 [1] 179: pop level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26) 180: right3 297074 h:=3640066+297074=3937140, hh:=249 [ ] 184: down3 107302 v:=397324+107302=504626, vv:=33 188: putrule height 26213, width 261235 (2x17 pixels) 197: down3 376728 v:=504626+376728=881354, vv:=57 201: push level 5:(h=3937140,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=249,vv=57) 202: setchar54 h:=3937140+261235=4198375, hh:=266 [6] 203: pop level 5:(h=3937140,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=249,vv=57) 204: pop level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 205: pop level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 206: pop level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 207: push level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 208: push level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 209: push level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 210: down3 -258036 v:=655360-258036=397324, vv:=26 214: push level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26) 215: right3 934026 h:=3640066+934026=4574092, hh:=290 [ ] 219: fntdef1 51: psmtimr 242: fntnum51 current font is psmtimr 243: setchar49 h:=4574092+229376=4803468, hh:=305 [1] 244: pop level 5:(h=3640066,v=397324,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=26) 245: right3 934026 h:=3640066+934026=4574092, hh:=290 [ ] 249: down3 107302 v:=397324+107302=504626, vv:=33 253: putrule height 26213, width 229376 (2x15 pixels) 262: down3 376728 v:=504626+376728=881354, vv:=57 266: push level 5:(h=4574092,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=290,vv=57) 267: setchar54 h:=4574092+229376=4803468, hh:=305 [6] 268: pop level 5:(h=4574092,v=881354,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=290,vv=57) 269: pop level 4:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 270: pop level 3:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 271: pop level 2:(h=3640066,v=655360,w=218431,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=231,vv=42) 272: right3 1460476 h:=3640066+1460476=5100542, hh:=323 [ ] 276: fntnum50 current font is psmtimr 277: setchar114 h:=5100542+218235=5318777, hh:=337 278: setchar105 h:=5318777+182190=5500967, hh:=349 279: setchar103 h:=5500967+327680=5828647, hh:=370 280: setchar104 h:=5828647+327680=6156327, hh:=391 281: setchar116 h:=6156327+182190=6338517, hh:=403 282: w0 218431 h:=6338517+218431=6556948, hh:=415 283: setchar112 h:=6556948+327680=6884628, hh:=436 284: setchar97 h:=6884628+290980=7175608, hh:=454 285: setchar114 h:=7175608+218235=7393843, hh:=468 286: setchar116 h:=7393843+182190=7576033, hh:=480 [right part] 287: pop level 1:(h=0,v=655360,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=42) 288: pop level 0:(h=0,v=42152922,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2670) 289: down3 1572864 v:=42152922+1572864=43725786, vv:=2770 293: push level 0:(h=0,v=43725786,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2770) 294: right4 15229440 h:=0+15229440=15229440, hh:=965 299: setchar49 h:=15229440+327680=15557120, hh:=986 [ 1] 300: pop level 0:(h=0,v=43725786,w=0,x=0,y=0,z=0,hh=0,vv=2770) 301: eop --------------------------------- From: Mrs.F.A.Leech Date: Wed, 11 Jan 89 10:31:48 GMT Message-Id: <12818.8901111031@uk.ac.lancaster.central1> To: ABBOTTP@UK.AC.ASTON Subject: Preview Dear Peter, We have TeX up and running, and are now interrested in the 'Preview' facility for Unix machines. I would be most grateful if you could tell me if there is one for Unix version 4.2/3BSD. Fanny --------------------------------- Date: 6-JAN-1989 12:23:13 GMT From: MARTIN@UK.AC.ULCC.NCDLAB To: p.abbott@UK.AC.ASTON Subject: PSPRINT Sender: Janet"M.Powell@Uk.ac.ulcc.bunny" Telephone: 01-405-8400 Commment: This line intentionally left blank. HELP ! Will Hossack is using PSPRINT to convert from TeX source into PostScript. when we try to print the file on the Linotronic 300 it gets a VMerror part way through the second page (I suspect it is running out of memory). Is there any way of telling PSPRINT how much memory is available in the Linotronic? --------------------------------- From: Dave Love To: texhax%cs.washington.edu@earn-relay Cc: uktex@aston Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 12:11 GMT Subject: WEB-like system for FORTRAN? Message-Id: <12 JAN 1989 12:11:23 FX@UK.AC.DARESBURY.NNGA> A year or so ago there was a query in TeXhax that went unanswered seeking information on any systems (being) developed for Literate Programming in FORTRAN, along the lines of WEB. Can I repeat the question -- anyone know of such a beast or like to offer thoughts on how difficult it would be to do? (This is not a request for WEB-to-FORTRAN!) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. D. Love, JANET: love@uk.ac.dl SERC Daresbury Laboratory, BITNET: love@dl.ac.uk, love%dl@ukacrl Warrington WA4 4AD, UUCP: ...!ukc!daresbury!love UK ARPA: love%uk.ac.dl@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk 'Phone: (0)925 603479, Telex: (0)925 629609, FAX: (0)925 603100 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------- Via: dcs.leeds.ac.uk (csvax1.ARPA); Thu, 12 Jan 89 15:49:41 GMT Received: from csunb3.dcs.leeds.ac.uk (csunb3.ARPA) by dcs.leeds.ac.uk; Thu, 12 Jan 89 15:49:09 GMT From: D L Harkess Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 15:49:24 GMT Message-Id: <1823.8901121549@csunb3.dcs.leeds.ac.uk> To: abbottp@uk.ac.aston Subject: LaTeX for PS/2 Cc: david@uk.ac.leeds.dcs Peter Please could you tell me if there is a PS/2 (running DOS) version of LaTeX; and how I could get hold of a copy. Many thanks, David Harkess _________________________________________________________________________ | David Harkess | david@leeds.dcs.ac.uk School of Computer Studies | University of Leeds | Tel: 0532 335453 LEEDS LS2 9JT | TELEX 556473 A/B UNILDS 9 England | Fax 336017 ________________________________|________________________________________ +++Editor - There are PD versions and versions which cost real money. No doubt users of TeX/LaTeX on PS2 systems will supply the answers. +++ --------------------------------- Received: from vax01.ams.com by NSS.Cs.Ucl.AC.UK via Satnet with SMTP id aa06309; 12 Jan 89 17:19 GMT Date: Thu 12 Jan 89 12:19:55-EST From: Ralph Youngen Subject: merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts To: info-tex Cc: mario , bnb@com.ams.vax01, rey@com.ams.vax01 Message-ID: <600628795.0.REY@VAX01.AMS.COM> Mail-System-Version: This message is really a response to part c) of Mario Wolczko's message of Sat, 10-Dec-88, subject: PostScript metrics. == >c) What do other people think about how the relationship between an == >Adobe font layout and a TeX font layout should be managed? == For PSLaTeX, the easiest way was to use Adobe encodings. Personally, == I feel that PostSscript will live for a long time, and have my doubts == as to the longevity of CMR outside of the AMS. Its only real == advantage is the careful design given to the math fonts. Most == publishers that I have spoken to hate CMR, especially when laser == printed, any many books are now produced using camera-ready copy from == laser printers. Not nice, maybe, but that's the way it is. Also, the == commercial pressures to use PostScript fonts are increasing as its use == becomes more widespread. Despite DEK's best efforts, METAFONT has == been largely ignored. Hence, I would choose use the PS encodings on == these grounds as well. The only problem occurs if you choose to mix == CMR and Adobe fonts in the same document (which is dubious practice == anyway). Mixing Adobe fonts with CMR (actually any Metafont fonts) is not a dubious practice in my mind at all. Aside from AMS, there are many other publishers of technical material who would be absolutely unable to publish their works using the current complement of PostScript fonts only. There simply aren't PostScript versions of the many mathematical symbols that occur frequently in mathematical material. Lucida will help to overcome this deficiency, but it will certainly not be a complete cure, as mathematicians like to create new symbols on a nearly daily basis. (Has anyone heard of an expected release date for Lucida??) It is my belief that Metafont will not drop by the wayside in the next few years. To my knowledge, it is the only readily available, professional quality character generator in the public domain. Anyone can use MF to create their own symbols/logos, and a perfectly suitable step from there would be to merge this new MF symbol with your current production environment (be it PostScript fonts or fonts from another vendor). This idea is already in practice at AMS. We currently only use CMR fonts for producing the mathematics in our books and journals. Specifically, the only CMR font that we use on a steady basis is CMSY. In 1987 we purchased an Autologic APS Micro-5. Sometime later a decision was made to use Autologic's Times fonts for the text of our books and journals, and merge various MF fonts with these Autologic fonts. The project has worked quite well, and if you pick up any of our recent publications you'll see Times text (roman, bold, italic), Times Math Italic (with spacing alterations similar to the difference between cmti and cmmi), CMSY for the math symbols, and other MF fonts (Euler: EUFM, AMS Extra symbols: MSXM, MSYM to name a few). Merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts seems just as natural a progression for those publishers of technical materials who want access to the PostScript font library. In running Textures on the Macintosh, for example, it is quite possible to use PostScript fonts for display fonts (titles, headlines, etc.) and compose the rest of the document with CM. You could then output such a document on an Apple LaserWriter. However, I must confess I don't know of a typesetter that could currently handle a document with both kinds of fonts, without Metafont'ing the necessary CM fonts at the typesetter's high resolution and downloading the bitmaps. Has anyone done this for a Linotronic, for example? - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ralph Youngen (Internet: REY@MATH.AMS.COM) American Mathematical Society 201 Charles Street Providence, RI USA - ------- --------------------------------- Received: from r7.cs.man.ac.uk (mucs-r7) by r1.cs.man.ac.uk; Fri, 13 Jan 89 12:05:13 GMT From: Mario Wolczko Message-Id: <3802.8901131206@r7.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: Fri,13 Jan 11:41:48 1989 Cc: REY@com.ams.vax01 To: info-tex@uk.ac.aston Subject: re: merging MF fonts with PostScript fonts > Mixing Adobe fonts with CMR (actually any Metafont fonts) is not a dubious > practice in my mind at all. Aside from AMS, there are many other publishers > of technical material who would be absolutely unable to publish their works > using the current complement of PostScript fonts only. There simply aren't > PostScript versions of the many mathematical symbols that occur frequently in > mathematical material. Lucida will help to overcome this deficiency, but it > will certainly not be a complete cure, as mathematicians like to create new > symbols on a nearly daily basis. (Has anyone heard of an expected release > date for Lucida??) I think I did not make myself clear. I have no objection to the use of CM symbols within formulas. As you say, without the CM symbols, there are many forms of mathematics that cannot be set. Indeed, this is how PS-LaTeX works. Until somebody comes up with the CM symbols in PostScript fonts, CMSY and CMEX will remain in use. What I suggest as dubious is the use of both CM and PS fonts as text fonts. For example, CM italic is hardly a sensible emphasis font within Times. > It is my belief that Metafont will not drop by the wayside in the next few > years. To my knowledge, it is the only readily available, professional > quality character generator in the public domain. Anyone can use MF to > create their own symbols/logos, and a perfectly suitable step from there > would be to merge this new MF symbol with your current production environment > (be it PostScript fonts or fonts from another vendor). The question is: was Metafont ever in the mainstream? Yes, it does quality character generation, and yes it is PD. But what's the demand for such a tool? How many people in the world are trained to do font design? Very few, I suspect. Unless there's a large number of amateur font designers out there, I would guess that most of them do font design for a living, and paying for a package is unlikely to be a large overhead. Also, they'll want their fonts to reach as wide an audience as possible, and I'm suggesting that PostScript is more likely to be their chosen medium. What does Metafont give you that other systems don't? Only the "meta" nature distinguishes it from other systems. Therefore, I think it has no advantages for symbol or logo creation ... who designs meta-symbols and meta-logos? Personally, I would find it much more immediate and effective to design a logo or symbol with an interactive WYSIWYG graphic editor. Further, if such an editor generated a PostScript description, I could use that symbol in many more applications than if it were in a GF file. > This idea is already in practice at AMS. We currently only use CMR fonts for > producing the mathematics in our books and journals. Specifically, the only > CMR font that we use on a steady basis is CMSY. In 1987 we purchased an > Autologic APS Micro-5. Sometime later a decision was made to use Autologic's > Times fonts for the text of our books and journals, and merge various MF fonts > with these Autologic fonts. The project has worked quite well, and if you pick > up any of our recent publications you'll see Times text (roman, bold, italic), > Times Math Italic (with spacing alterations similar to the difference between > cmti and cmmi), CMSY for the math symbols, and other MF fonts (Euler: EUFM, AMS > Extra symbols: MSXM, MSYM to name a few). I think you have proved my point! Why don't you use CMR as the text font? My guess is either: (a) you think Times looks better, or (b) using Times is much more convenient (no downloading of enormous bitmaps). [As an aside: do have MSXM and MSYM at typesetter resolutions? I'm looking for 1270dpi versions of these at the moment.] > However, I must confess I don't know of a > typesetter that could currently handle a document with both kinds of fonts, > without Metafont'ing the necessary CM fonts at the typesetter's high resolution > and downloading the bitmaps. Has anyone done this for a Linotronic, for > example? This is exactly what I'll be trying to do in the next few months: print books in Times with CMSY and MS[XY]M symbols on a Linotronic. I'll let you know how I fare. Mario Wolczko ______ Dept. of Computer Science Internet: mario@ux.cs.man.ac.uk /~ ~\ The University USENET: mcvax!ukc!man.cs.ux!mario ( __ ) Manchester M13 9PL JANET: mario@uk.ac.man.cs.ux `-': :`-' U.K. Tel: +44-61-275 6146 (FAX: 6280) ____; ;_____________the mushroom project____________________________________ --------------------------------- Received: from robin.cs.nott.ac.uk by much.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa16799; 12 Jan 89 18:17 GMT Received: from clan by Robin.Cs.Nott.AC.UK id aa18602; 12 Jan 89 18:06 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Jan 89 18:16:38 GMT From: David Osborne To: UKTeX@uk.ac.aston, TeXhax%edu.washington.cs@uk.ac.earn-relay Subject: K-Talk's "Publishing Companion" Message-ID: <8901121016.aa06129@clan.nott.ac.uk> we're just in the process of standardising on WordPerfect as a PC word-processor and an order has been placed for K-Talk's "Publishing Companion" (see advertisements in most issues of TUGboat), which claims to ease foreign-language and equation input, and, most importantly, to translate WordPerfect output to TeX. there's an article in the latest TUGboat which announces a report produced at the Rijksuniversiteit Gronigen on just this subject but i'd appreciate some more immediate feedback. has anyone who has used WordPerfect and Publishing Companion any comments to offer, please? dave. - -- David Osborne Cripps Computing Centre, University of Nottingham, Nottingham NG7 2RD, UK (Phone: +44 602 484848 x2064) JANET: d.osborne@uk.ac.nott.clan BITNET: d.osborne%uk.ac.nott.clan@ukacrl.bitnet Internet: dao%uk.ac.nott.cs@nss.cs.ucl.ac.uk , or: dao%uk.ac.nott.cs%ukacrl.bitnet@cunyvm.cuny.edu UUCP: {...!mcvax}!ukc!nott-cs!dao --------------------------------- !! !! 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